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Post by sonofarook on Jun 13, 2009 17:51:47 GMT -1
catching up on the site today i notice the very subdued mention in the pan 4 gold trust thread by mr arnold (come on david.... big yourself up man)..... about the supporters and members club. this is fantastic well overdue news.....david ....shout it from the roof tops give details please on how to sign up and join ... is it open to all to join etc etc..... im getting too excited i know  but what a way to progress those of us who couldnt join the trust due to its failing to support the club in the right way...... if allowed could now have an option that allows us to help and join in with the fundraising as should have been happening all along. very sad to hear the trust getting rid of the pan 4 gold (another failing this time of something unique to our club) but im sure it can be revived. i said at the beggining the trust was doomed ....a non starter.....had their own agendas and more and time WILL prove those statements right ,even if some did ridicule my thoughts.......BUT HERE IS WHAT WE AND THE CLUB NEED ........if we can all join , all contribute and pull together for OUR CLUB....then it will soon be ....happy days |
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Post by davidarnold1 on Jun 14, 2009 8:39:29 GMT -1
Actually whilst I very much admire the 'hands on' work of the Members and Supporters Club I also feel that the Trust could prove to be very valuable to Lewes FC. The Chairman, Ruth O'Keefe, polled more votes than any other local councillor in the recent elections pulling in 3,032 votes (more than 64% of the total votes cast). She is well respected in local politics. Having Ruth closely associated with Lewes FC can't do any harm (she even mentioned the club positively in her election leaflet). She also has excellent ideas for attracting grants including one that might get us some decent brand new loos. I know that ME is appreciative of the potential help from this direction. I also think that if ME can get that deal with the Revenue sorted the people on the Trust will be seen to be fully behind Ibbo and the club going forward.
I also do not by any means agree with everything the Trust has said and done but I remain on the best of terms with all the individuals. I'd also like to see Foulksey and Serena join the Members and Supporters Club - this would help break down any perceived barriers between that section and the Trust (jaw, jaw better than war, war) plus they are both enthusiastic fundraisers and we need people like that more than ever.
As for Pan for Gold I'll be bringing the matter up at the next M&S Club meeting so watch this space.
PS. The only dodgy decision Ruth has made politics-wise is supporting the building of a new police station on the car park behind my house. It's going to hit shops hard at the top end of town where there's not much parking. Plus it will ruin my view of Harvey's Brewery tower.
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Post by rok on Jun 14, 2009 21:07:19 GMT -1
Because of the election David mentions I have not had much chance to look at the forum recently. Thank you David for the positive mention of the fundraising efforts. My family, including myself, have been supporters of the club for some years, and when the trust was formed because of the opportunity I felt it gave to make funding applications which would be much needed I joined. I never expected to become Chair and am in this role because I felt I might be able to help build bridges. Not sure if achieving this but still have as an aim.
I have expressed to members of the Members Club who have come to joint meetings a willingness to help in what they do but feel in view of the limited time I have to give this alongside a lot of other things that my main contribution would be to look for outside funds. It doesn't mean at all that I will not be helping although time constraints will inevitably make this some times and not others. Anyone who knows me will know that I really like to make practical contributions in terms of time and effort to whatever I become involved with and I am staunchly positive.
At the moment regards the toilets funding application we are waiting for the results of a preliminary application which if successful gives us permission to move to the second stage of 3. If the current application fails I have several other ideas for possible funders and will continue to make applications.
I confess to being a bit puzzled that I am supposed to support the demolition of the current police station and building of a new one on the North street site since I spoke against this at Town Council planning and also took part in the Friends of Lewes initiative to try to get part of the current police station listed to prevent its demolition. Just for the record I would far rather see the current police station renovated and made more energy efficient etc than a new build take place, and would certainly not support the demolition of the building.
Reading through all of the comments about Pan for Gold I have felt as a person that keeping this with the Trust was not in anyone's best interests for some time. I wanted it to be given to the Members Club because I felt that a considerable amount of the negative feeling kind of coalesced around the idea that this money was not going where the donors might want it to go (rightly or wrongly, but obviously sincerely felt by some) and the best thing to do rather than testing this idea to destruction of the concept was to have Trust fundraising that was started by the trust and have Pan for Gold which was viewed as, again rightly or wrongly, not the Trust's money, out of the equation of continuing conflict altogether.
Many legal things, I have found, are not as simple as that. This was no exception. The only way to "give Pan for Gold back" was to close it from the Trust end and allow it to be reborn elsewhere. This is therefore the option that needed to be chosen in order that the whole debate over Pan for Gold could stop once and for all (I thought). But no! Even stopping having Pan for Gold as a Trust enterprise and enabling it to be started again by David with his Members Club hat on is prey to negative debate!
I was not a member of the club that voted to cease and become the new Trust, so I could not vote. Once the Trust was formed Pan for Gold automatically became a Trust enterprise. The intention had always been that the Trust would use the Pan for Gold money as match funding for large funding bids. For example if the bid goes well for the toilets we may need between £4,000 and £10,000 in match funding to get the grant. Without having this money ready we could lose the whole grant when the time comes. I have a number of ideas for raising this, but it would be good to have a regular income that built up to that. So Pan for Gold with the money regularly coming in from supporters of the club and building up ready to provide match funding did seem a good idea initially. Then I read and heard and saw written so much negative stuff about Pan for Gold money, and realised the opportunity the whole "Pan for Gold money should belong to someone else" topos gave to continue negative feeling all over the place and I felt, as a personal opinion, that the Trust would do best not to have this money after all, never mind that it was to secure funds for large expenditures like toilets etc, the negative feelings meant it just wasn't worth it in my opinion.
To summarise.
Joined the Trust as I felt I could help with funding bids and I want to see the club do as well as possible.
Became Chair not out of any ambition to do so but because I wanted to help build bridges. Have no wish to be negative about anything, happy to be of practical help, worried like many about the future of the club, want to try to get funds for facilities that will help secure that, happy to do practical things on the ground whenever I have the time but recognise I may not have a lot of time to give owing to other comittments.
Have long felt Pan for Gold has become a source of division rather than simply a fundraiser and would like to see that defused, pleased David would like to re-start it in a location that should turn it back into a fundraiser not a bone of contention although I think there may be more to sort out legally if the same bank account is being contemplated.
Looking forward to the Trust starting fundraising efforts of its own (dearly hope thats contention free!) in order to raise the match funding we will need.
Oh; and not a supporter of demolition of the police station nor of the new build!
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Post by sonofarook on Jun 14, 2009 22:05:02 GMT -1
so rok will the funds that the trust have had from p4g be handed over to the m+s club or will the trust decide thats theirs. another wonderful politicians speech but like most politicians lacking real substance. how long has the trust now been steering and how little real help has come to the club......oh i know what spur has told me that the trust is not their for the club.......that will be the main stumbling block. it should be primarily looking to support the club and helping ME to deal with the problems instead of hoping all goes belly up and plotting ways they can eventually muscle in. how people on the steering commitee and trust members can run their own website with the degrading disgraceful comments put on there about people who have done more for the club than you can ever dream about and then expect us all to believe these people are the way forward is beyond me. www.10wb.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talkso installing new toilets (if it ever happens of course) is a very good idea, however the sceptics may see this as showing the fans how helpful the trust is pretending to be when really its a way of still making sure ME and the club in their hour of need dont get the reddies needed to help in areas of more concern. |
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Post by Marky 'buongiorno' B on Jun 14, 2009 22:17:23 GMT -1
so installing new toilets (if it ever happens of course) is a very good idea, however the sceptics may see this as showing the fans how helpful the trust is pretending to be when really its a way of still making sure ME and the club in their hour of need dont get the reddies needed to help in areas of more concern. What, like in the way that your posts may be an attempt to show the negative side of the trust, yet sceptics may see them as the ramblings of a members' club member whose decided to smear the trust in order for their own political advantages? |
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Post by sonofarook on Jun 14, 2009 22:31:48 GMT -1
great imagination marky.........but total garbage.  or maybe this is a triple smear campaign.... with you trying to discredit my opinions of the trust .......whatever next :: i show the negatives of the trust... why? .....cos there are no positives. |
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Post by Marky 'buongiorno' B on Jun 14, 2009 22:51:48 GMT -1
Why is it garbage sonofarook? getting too close to the truth are we? The main people who have been against the supporters trust since its formation have been those in the members club who didn't like the idea of these little upstarts getting any influence as it may diminsih theirs. It's the narrow mindedness and parochialism that is found within most local organisiations making it resistent to change. Factors that lead to stupid situations that result in the organisiation dying a slow and painfull death, much like we're seeing now.
As for positives, the trust's status enables it to gain certain advantages that a supporters club, or even a members club, does not have, especially from a legal standpoint. Therefore the opportunities available for outside help and advice and the the funds that can be raised through grants and public money are increased. Those are the positives which you don't seem to want to consider.
At the end of the day, it would be hoped that everyone is looking to do what's best for the club. Sadly, this is not the case, and I'm not talking about the trust here.
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Post by sin my opinionn on Jun 15, 2009 7:35:01 GMT -1
Great that the position re Police Station has been clarified.
Great that there is a grant application for toilets going on.
What relevance is this to saving the club?
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Post by sonofarook on Jun 15, 2009 12:17:31 GMT -1
marky said...As for positives, the trust's status enables it to gain certain advantages that a supporters club, or even a members club, does not have, especially from a legal standpoint. Therefore the opportunities available for outside help and advice and the the funds that can be raised through grants and public money are increased. Those are the positives which you don't seem to want to consider.
i am fully aware of all that marky and if you have a trust at your club (visit afc wimbledon site) that wishes to aid the club and directors it can be a valuable bidding tool.....however we do not have that ...the upstarts (your wording) are working against for their own gain. if the trust want to proove that wrong then.... stop trying to distance themselves as seperate to the rest of the club, and help where help is needed.......oh and dont forget stop slating on their own site the valuable members (even life members) of the club. i notice you ignored that part of my previous post and chose to try and turn the debate elsewhere....... tut tut.
to clarify marky ....no im not a member of the members club at lewes fc......im still waiting on the invite....did you hear that ...the postie came ....perhaps its arrived ......................................................................................................................................................................................no joy marky...... have to keep waiting a bit longer
just for the record and personally i dont give a ---- .whats the point in a new police station when they are closed most of the time .....money could be used better elsewhere.....still thats enough of the boring bit.
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Post by spur on Jun 15, 2009 13:37:54 GMT -1
Sonofa wrote: 'if the trust want to proove that wrong then.... stop trying to distance themselves as seperate to the rest of the club, and help where help is needed.......oh and dont forget stop slating on their own site the valuable members (even life members) of the club.'
Where on the Trust site is their any slating of club members and life members, Sonofa?
Yrs, Puzzled of Lewes
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Post by sonofarook on Jun 15, 2009 13:55:13 GMT -1
very clever spur....i meant the other site led by trust people not the official site....... the one mentioned earlier but i think you realise that anyway www.10wb.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk. i know you are aware of this..... but consider this..... if some foul mouthed yob came on here saying whats said there ......youd be telling kieran how wrong it is and how they should be banned....... double standards......and dont spin me the line ...its individuals own speech...... it is lead by someone heavily involved with the trust . yrs ,mystified of lewes |
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Post by youngspur on Jun 15, 2009 14:16:06 GMT -1
very clever spur....i meant the other site led by trust people not the official site....... the one mentioned earlier but i think you realise that anyway www.10wb.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk. i know you are aware of this..... but consider this..... if some foul mouthed yob came on here saying whats said there ......youd be telling kieran how wrong it is and how they should be banned....... double standards......and dont spin me the line ...its individuals own speech...... it is lead by someone heavily involved with the trust . yrs ,mystified of lewes There's already a foul mouthed yob on here, Sonofa, but we don't think Kieran should ban you... |
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Post by spur on Jun 15, 2009 14:24:01 GMT -1
very clever spur....i meant the other site led by trust people not the official site....... the one mentioned earlier but i think you realise that anyway www.10wb.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk. i know you are aware of this..... but consider this..... if some foul mouthed yob came on here saying whats said there ......youd be telling kieran how wrong it is and how they should be banned....... double standards......and dont spin me the line ...its individuals own speech...... it is lead by someone heavily involved with the trust . yrs ,mystified of lewes Sorry, Sonofa, I actually didn't realise you were referring to the Worthing Bombers' site – and they, of course, can answer for themselves . . . |
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but what a way to progress
